The following is the transcript of a debate about reality that I had with a very wise friend...
Nick.Eliot: Im waning in my inviting inness of positivenessNick'sFreind: awwwwwwww
Nick.Eliot: cos of shit going down elsewhere
Nick'sFreind: shit will always go down sweetie
Nick'sFreind: it is a diversion
Nick.Eliot: thats true
Nick.Eliot: IT IS!
Nick'sFreind: just remember that is all it is
Nick.Eliot: its just remembering all the nasty things she said
Nick'sFreind: fuck her
Nick.Eliot: she laughed at me for thinking I was a genius who knew more than everyone else
Nick.Eliot: she was just too dumb to understand
Nick.Eliot: but she did some damage
Nick.Eliot: too young probably
Nick.Eliot: shes only 20
Nick'sFreind: well....
Nick'sFreind: there is nothing wrong with being a genius
Nick.Eliot: there isnt
Nick.Eliot: its other peoples problem
Nick.Eliot: actually
Nick.Eliot: theres LOADS wrong with it
Nick'sFreind: but it is rather insulting to imply that you know more than everybody else
Nick.Eliot: cos it makes life hard
Nick'sFreind: you know more in your areas of expertice
Nick.Eliot: lol I know
Nick.Eliot: I know
Nick'sFreind: not necessarily more
Nick.Eliot: philosophical genius* is more accurate
Nick.Eliot: I just trust my judgement better than anyone ele
Nick.Eliot: else
Nick.Eliot: BEACAUSE...
Nick.Eliot: Ive spent so many years so deep in thought
Nick'sFreind: and people have trouble getting past the implied insult to see the rest of the truth
Nick.Eliot: and thats what she didnt understand
Nick.Eliot: thats what I meant
Nick'sFreind: yes...solitude and contemplation
Nick'sFreind: lead to insights
Nick.Eliot: Ive even done Hermiting
Nick.Eliot: proper Hermiting
Nick.Eliot: so ya, I consider her as someone far below me in the judgement of reality
Nick.Eliot: and in that I think im better than her
Nick.Eliot: but Im a philosopher
Nick.Eliot: its my judgement Im on about
Nick.Eliot: and Ive worked long and very hard and wildly on it
Nick.Eliot: though I dont know everything
Nick.Eliot: but I do consider myself far above most jesus freaks etc.
Nick'sFreind: dear...you are superior in your reality
Nick.Eliot: if thats a crime thats a crime
Nick'sFreind: but her reality is where she reigns
Nick'sFreind: and it is just as valid LOL
Nick.Eliot: I dont think so
Nick.Eliot: hers is a fantasy
Nick'sFreind: have you been there?
Nick.Eliot: mines more depressing
Nick.Eliot: not really
Nick.Eliot: she never let me into her mind
Nick.Eliot: I still think im right and shes wrong
Nick.Eliot: but I really realy really did work hard toget that way
Nick.Eliot: like mental hard
Nick.Eliot: been through agnostic
Nick.Eliot: into christianity
Nick.Eliot: through athiesm
Nick.Eliot: the into a philosophy
Nick.Eliot: which is all it is
Nick.Eliot: a philosophy
Nick.Eliot: Ive done it sane and insane
Nick.Eliot: thats why I know there is reality
Nick.Eliot: because I was off my head
Nick.Eliot: in a reality I beleived
Nick.Eliot: another universe
Nick.Eliot: and they pinned me down and jabbed me in the arse
Nick.Eliot: and I came back to this one
Nick.Eliot: thats what made me sure
Nick.Eliot: because my mind could have accepted any
Nick.Eliot: but it existed in this one
Nick.Eliot: its solid
Nick.Eliot: and other poeple have differing idea
Nick.Eliot: s
Nick'sFreind: they also have different views of reality
Nick.Eliot: and I see THEM as delusional, to say like 85,000 are going to heaven only and all the other hoochie coochie
Nick.Eliot: we all have different views of the same thing
Nick.Eliot: like youd think my flat messy
Nick.Eliot: Id thik it lived in
Nick.Eliot: but its the same flat
Nick'sFreind: yes...and both are as real as we make thme
Nick.Eliot: then its just a matter of the whys and wherefores
Nick'sFreind: them
Nick.Eliot: nope
Nick.Eliot: the flat exists
Nick.Eliot: it can be scientifically measured by you and me
Nick.Eliot: its jsut because were humans and half monkey that we see it differently
Nick.Eliot: a computer would see it the same as another computer
Nick'sFreind: i have a friend
Nick.Eliot: ?
Nick'sFreind: rich
Nick'sFreind: a princess
Nick.Eliot: cool
Nick'sFreind: didn't know how to pump her own gas....
Nick.Eliot: LOL
Nick'sFreind: she knew gas could be pumped
Nick'sFreind: but in her world it never was done by here
Nick'sFreind: her
Nick'sFreind: that is the reality of her world
Nick'sFreind: until she came to a place where you had to pump your own gas
Nick'sFreind: it did not exist for her
Nick'sFreind: doesn't make her bad
Nick'sFreind: or wrong
Nick'sFreind: it just wasn't a part of her world
Nick.Eliot: its the same gas though
Nick'sFreind: yes...and always was
Nick.Eliot: just like its the same planet
Nick'sFreind: and always there are places that pump for you ...and places where you pump your own
Nick.Eliot: I dont get your point
Nick'sFreind: but if you never encounter them....they are not real in your realm of reality
Nick.Eliot: aye
Nick'sFreind: so...if she never encounters things from your vantage point...it isn't real to her
Nick.Eliot: becuase were half monkey
Nick.Eliot: yeah
Nick'sFreind: half monkey my ass...we are related...but not the same species
Nick.Eliot: brilliant way of putting it
Nick.Eliot: actrually were about 98% monkey
Nick'sFreind: we are also about 98 % water
Nick.Eliot: I say that to mean we are not pure logic
Nick.Eliot: we're not computers
Nick.Eliot: we have emotions
Nick'sFreind: or is it 85%
Nick'sFreind: yes
Nick.Eliot: and that is what skews the world
Nick.Eliot: I think its 99% forgot
Nick'sFreind: and we are limited by our input just as computers are
Nick.Eliot: yep
Nick'sFreind: it is also what makes the world worth living in
Nick.Eliot: but two of the same computers would see the same place the same
Nick'sFreind: not unless they viewed it from the same angle
Nick'sFreind: exactly...and at the same time
Nick'sFreind: and since both can't occupy the same space....at the same time
Nick.Eliot: say you sent a robot off to explore a closed room
Nick'sFreind: it would also be a different view LOL
Nick.Eliot: and it went and came back and reported its reality of it
Nick.Eliot: the you sent an identicle one off to do the same
Nick.Eliot: it would come back with the same result
Nick.Eliot: scientific testing of reality
Nick'sFreind: not unless they went through the same space at the same time
Nick.Eliot: like with natural selection
Nick'sFreind: a wind blowing thru the room could change everything
Nick.Eliot: it wouldnt change it if they didnt have the sensors for wind
Nick'sFreind: yes
Nick'sFreind: it would
Nick.Eliot: nah
Nick.Eliot: not how robots work
Nick'sFreind: because the wind would change the room and its contents
Nick'sFreind: robots work based on human programing
Nick'sFreind: parameters set by humans
Nick.Eliot: we humans have our own parameters governed by nature
Nick'sFreind: and if you shut the room and sterilized everything...to keep the wind out....
Nick'sFreind: then it is not reality
Nick.Eliot: it is
Nick.Eliot: the room exists
Nick.Eliot: like stars exist
Nick.Eliot: it has no life in it
Nick'sFreind: yes....i agree
Nick'sFreind: and both exist in constant flux
Nick.Eliot: its life that makes things more interesting
Nick'sFreind: atoms moving
Nick'sFreind: molecules moving
Nick.Eliot: thats true
Nick'sFreind: contracting and expanding
Nick.Eliot: they still exist though
Nick.Eliot: they are real
Nick'sFreind: so...the room may exist...for a time...with the exact parameters and dimensions
Nick.Eliot: damn I need to read a book on quantum physics :/
Nick.Eliot: its the particle and the wave
Nick'sFreind: but unless the robots enter and leave the exact same space in the exact same time.....the readings will not be the same
Nick'sFreind: unless..they are not very indepth readings
Nick'sFreind: or they are just guaging generalities
Nick.Eliot: exactly
Nick'sFreind: height...weight....dimensions
Nick.Eliot: so our reality exists
Nick.Eliot: because we are limited in our sensors
Nick'sFreind: but the fact that it constantly changes throws a wrench in that theory
Nick'sFreind: it exists...temporarily
Nick'sFreind: same with stars
Nick.Eliot: the point I was making
Nick.Eliot: was that you cant live in another reality apart from this one
Nick.Eliot: its impossible
Nick.Eliot: you can fantasise all you want, but you cant walk on water
Nick'sFreind: lol
Nick.Eliot: this one may be fuzzy around the edges
Nick'sFreind: it amazes me
Nick.Eliot: but thats the truth hon
Nick'sFreind: that you can make that statement...
Nick.Eliot: I can from experience
Nick'sFreind: and not understand my theory that you can fantasize all you want on line....but you ain't gonna have real sex on the internet LOL
Nick'sFreind: just joking with you luv
Nick.Eliot: okay hon : )
Nick'sFreind: and the point i am making
Nick.Eliot: now where were we?
Nick'sFreind: is...that
Nick'sFreind: nobody else's experience in this reality is the same as yours
Nick.Eliot: and the point im making
Nick'sFreind: but they are all sound basis for their philosophies and therefore just as valid
Nick.Eliot: is that it exists regardless of experience
Nick'sFreind: regardless of reality
Nick'sFreind: no..things exist
Nick'sFreind: stuff exists
Nick.Eliot: yes!
Nick'sFreind: our philosophies are not based on stuff or things
Nick'sFreind: they are based on our minds
Nick.Eliot: mine are
Nick'sFreind: and our perceptions
Nick.Eliot: okay then, do you beleive in Truth?
Nick'sFreind: yes....
Nick.Eliot: good
Nick'sFreind: and i believe nobody is totally truthful
Nick'sFreind: because nobody knows everything
Nick.Eliot: I dont mean that
Nick.Eliot: I mean what really went on
Nick.Eliot: like a video of the past
Nick.Eliot: did that thing happen?
Nick.Eliot: in the video
Nick'sFreind: videos show only the vantage point of the photographer....
Nick.Eliot: (a hypothetical video) :/
Nick.Eliot: urg!
Nick'sFreind: he has the ability to show anything he wants
Nick'sFreind: or leave out anything that doesn't support his idea
Nick.Eliot: I meant a hypothetical video
Nick.Eliot: say you could see the past
Nick.Eliot: and I could see the past
Nick'sFreind: same things apply
Nick.Eliot: and a computer could see the past
Nick.Eliot: we would see the same thing
Nick'sFreind: you can only see that an action occurred
Nick.Eliot: we would percieve it differently
Nick.Eliot: okay
Nick'sFreind: right ...wrong...truth...that is based on knowing the context and causes of the event
Nick'sFreind: in full
Nick'sFreind: from all points of view
Nick'sFreind: to only see what happened
Nick.Eliot: noooooooo
Nick'sFreind: shows that an event took place
Nick.Eliot: *sigh*
Nick.Eliot: youre thinking like a human
Nick'sFreind: no
Nick.Eliot: think like a god
Nick.Eliot: you can look back into the past and know everything that happened at one scene in time?
Nick'sFreind: dear...you are trying to prove reality with a hypothetical basis for rationalizing it
Nick.Eliot: then that scene would be truth
Nick.Eliot: yeah!
Nick.Eliot: :D
Nick'sFreind: no
Nick.Eliot: ag
Nick'sFreind: that scene would be "the events that happened"
Nick.Eliot: YES!
Nick'sFreind: and that is not the entirety of truth
Nick.Eliot: if everything were docimented totally
Nick.Eliot: then we have a copy of the truth
Nick'sFreind: that is akin to saying that as long as you don't blatently lie...you are being honest
Nick'sFreind: and it doesn't fly
Nick'sFreind: no...you would have the what
Nick.Eliot: I dont get that analogy :(
Nick.Eliot: YES
Nick.Eliot: THE WHAT!
Nick'sFreind: the what happened
Nick.Eliot: and we could all come and look at it
Nick.Eliot: and form our own opinions
Nick.Eliot: but the record will stand
Nick.Eliot: the evidence
Nick'sFreind: and we would all have a different view of the same thing based on what we experience in our own lives
Nick.Eliot: the what is whats important
Nick.Eliot: because thats truth
Nick'sFreind: bullshit
Nick.Eliot: no it isnt
Nick.Eliot: youre thinking as a human
Nick'sFreind: without the why, and the how did it get there...
Nick'sFreind: and you claim to be thinking as a god....which you don't even believe exists LOL
Nick.Eliot: oh I believe in god
Nick.Eliot: its only a beleif though
Nick'sFreind: yes
Nick'sFreind: but saying that it is only a belief is expressing doubt of some amount
Nick.Eliot: no its me being a good philosopher
Nick'sFreind: and then you try to think like a god that you doubt LOL
Nick.Eliot: I am sure, but i cant let myself be
Nick.Eliot: yep :D
Nick'sFreind: if you doubt at any level....then how can you hope to convince me that this is how a god would think LOL
Nick.Eliot: its all a matter of thinking outside of the realm of human existence
Nick.Eliot: Im using a 'god' as an example
Nick.Eliot: hypothetically
Nick'sFreind: we are within the realm of human existence
Nick'sFreind: we are human
Nick.Eliot: kinda sorta
Nick'sFreind: that is the reality
Nick.Eliot: its not all of reality though
Nick.Eliot: theres a whole universe out there
Nick'sFreind: right...I agree totally
Nick.Eliot: we are nothing!
Nick'sFreind: and THE WHAT is not all of reality either
Nick.Eliot: much..
Nick'sFreind: we are also everything
Nick.Eliot: you dont know that for sure
Nick'sFreind: that is the divine paradox
Nick.Eliot: no proof
Nick'sFreind: you have no proof either
Nick.Eliot: :D
Nick'sFreind: lol
Nick.Eliot: :*
Nick'sFreind: nice try though
Nick'sFreind: *smooch*
Nick.Eliot: I make sense logically though, to think like a god and see us
Nick.Eliot: no offence meant, but youre too tied into being human to think that way
Nick'sFreind: bullshit...you are insulting....and you know it
Nick'sFreind: you preambled with "no offense meant"
Nick.Eliot: nope, I dont mean to honest
Nick.Eliot: I swear on my website
Nick.Eliot: sorry if I offended you :(
Nick'sFreind: I have touched the divinity within me.....
Nick'sFreind: i have touched others with it
Nick'sFreind: I do think that way
Nick'sFreind: from that part
Nick'sFreind: however....
Nick'sFreind: I am also human....and revel in it as opposed to rebelling against it
Nick.Eliot: well Im a different kettle of fish
Nick.Eliot: Im more into the nuts and bolts
Nick.Eliot: I guess we should agree to differ
Nick'sFreind: and thinking outside that humanity is no more logical than my rationalizing within it
Nick.Eliot: ag dont get upset
Nick'sFreind: they are equally valid
Nick'sFreind: I am not upse
Nick.Eliot: its philosophy
Nick'sFreind: upset
Nick.Eliot: you cant philosophise with emotions involved
Nick'sFreind: philosophy never says another isn't valid
Nick.Eliot: not until were dead
Nick'sFreind: that is just according to YOUR philosophy
Nick.Eliot: Ill see you in the afterlife if there is one and well find out
Nick'sFreind: my nuts and bolts say that we release energy when we die...that cannot be destroyed
Nick'sFreind: only transformed
Nick'sFreind: not heaven...
Nick'sFreind: not hell
Nick.Eliot: yes but that has to have nuts and bolts
Nick'sFreind: transformation....logical
Nick.Eliot: nuts and bolts logical
Nick'sFreind: no...light has no nuts and bolts
Nick'sFreind: energy has no nuts and bolts
Nick.Eliot: they do
Nick'sFreind: even matter decomposing when we die has no nuts and bolts
Nick.Eliot: thats how we make computers work?
Nick'sFreind: it just changes form
Nick.Eliot: it has bacteria eating it
Nick'sFreind: that is changing form
Nick.Eliot: and it is part of the nitrogen cycle
Nick.Eliot: agreed
Nick.Eliot: but it also has nuts and bolts
Nick'sFreind: it has enzymes and actions
Nick'sFreind: forces working with and against each other
Nick.Eliot: it all depends on how you percieve it, but the truth is BOTH are going on
Nick.Eliot: maybe thats why theres the particle and the wave
Nick'sFreind: ahhh.....so you agree...reality is based on perception
Nick'sFreind: isn't that what started this? <wink>
Nick.Eliot: yes but if you can percieve both things at once, you have reality
Nick'sFreind: noooooo
Nick.Eliot: yesssss
Nick.Eliot: hehe :D
Nick'sFreind: you must percieve ALL things at once
Nick.Eliot: even the past?
Nick.Eliot: and the future?
Nick'sFreind: and in this realm of reality that we reside in...you cannot
Nick'sFreind: if you want absolutes...yes indeed
Nick'sFreind: and if you don't want absolutes...what is the point
Nick.Eliot: but the future doesnt exist
Nick.Eliot: well it might
Nick.Eliot: until god gets created
Nick'sFreind: the future doesn't exist far as you know
Nick'sFreind: it is like the chicken and the egg
Nick'sFreind: we are god....god creating us....us creating god
Nick'sFreind: constant change
Nick.Eliot: and who's to say that wont work?
Nick'sFreind: i do not say it wont work
Nick'sFreind: it is working LOL
Nick.Eliot: in quantum
Nick.Eliot: : )
Nick.Eliot: well Im happy
Nick'sFreind: it is the only logical explanation
Nick.Eliot: I have new insight
Nick.Eliot: s
Nick'sFreind: for precog...for past life rememberances...for many things
Nick.Eliot: the rotting cat
Nick'sFreind: if all is happening, was happening, will happen all at once LOL
Nick.Eliot: if you think like that then its not happening at al
Nick.Eliot: cos it needs some time to exist in
Nick.Eliot: everything and nothing
Nick.Eliot: makes sense
Nick'sFreind: now who is thinking like a human?
Nick.Eliot: no Im agreeing with you
Nick.Eliot: everythig exists and doesnt exist
Nick'sFreind: yes
Nick.Eliot: because we are but a spectrum
Nick.Eliot: of everything and nothing
Nick'sFreind: and most is based on perception and placement and the luck of the draw
Nick.Eliot: not for a god
Nick'sFreind: but....we are humans
Nick'sFreind: is what we drew here and now
Nick'sFreind: LOL
Nick.Eliot: doesnt make any difference
Nick'sFreind: not really
Nick'sFreind: most of it is empty LOL
Nick'sFreind: and now....i am empty as well...and must feed my self
Nick.Eliot: theres a period drama on tv with no cleevage :(
Nick'sFreind: awwwwwwwww
Nick.Eliot: okay honeybuns
Nick'sFreind: how ever will you survive without cleavage?
Nick'sFreind: rofl
Nick.Eliot: Id like to put this on my site, with names changed to protect the innocent
Nick.Eliot: would you mind that?
Nick'sFreind: do try to persevere
Nick'sFreind: not in the least
Nick.Eliot: okay cheers : )
Nick'sFreind: was kinda fun
Nick'sFreind: *smooch*